I see all these threads about people trying to make mining more of a passive isk maker and increasing hulk tanks and bigger and better ships to make mining easier.

Why does CCP hate miners?

Unless you're in a .5 system, there's no reason to get ganked by anything that is smaller than a BC.

[3. Nope, I'm saying that no mining ship (fit for mining) should be able to survive any decent attack by a player combat ship.

At the moment EVE clearly favors piracy and ganking by making it easy enough that even a monky can do it.

I disagree.

Right now the cost for a successful hisec gank is extremely low. To fix this adding a massive boost to hull HP will mean more DPS needed and thus cost before concord arrives.

It should take an expensive fit Oracle or Tornado or Naga (Or a group of smaller ships) to destroy a hulk with a damage control system before concord arrives in most situations. The hull boost WILL do that.

they dont need to make mining harder- just the process of mining harder- in order to eliminate the bots- which can be done

Really? Can you link where you got this info? I'd really liek to see it.

1. Remove the re-processing of modules and ammo. I don't like it. It makes no sense to get back the minerals when their molecular structure has already been completely changed during the production process.

They should sell "bot scripts" on the market for mining.
The more expensive one can have you dock up for safety and such... IE, the m ore the script does the more expensive it would cost. Plus maybe a mod that would allow you to run the script.
Player must be logged in to active bot script...
Its not like its already a bot controlled industry.

Option 3: Eliminate regenerating 'public' asteroid belts and increase the rate of Grav site spawns to compensate.

So many side effects nerfs and runarounds. Geez folks the solution is simple.

If it is a mining barge it gets a MASSIVE hull (Not tankable shield or armor I mean HULL, STRUCTURE) HP increase.

To be honest I suspect some of you keep pushing the "Give em more slots or shield HP!!!!1" not because of ganking but because you want your mining ship to be able to tank 0.0 belt battleships without having to fit an expensive fit on your hulk.

The hull boost WILL fix the issue. Look at the orca!

My opinion is that to gank a hulk should cost 100M+ to the attacking party plus the usual standings loss. Increasing hull increases the cost to gank a ship in time. That is called balance. Covoters obviously cost far less so the hull increase is far less.

I am also pro moving roids to grav sites. That encourages grouping for use of scanner ships.

Won't. Stop. Ganks.

It doesn't matter what you do to mining ships, it doesn't matter what you do to miners. People don't like you.
I don't know why people don't like miners or mining, aside from it being painstakingly dull, boring and a waste of
time; people just don't like you.

1. Drone Poop is a huge mineral faucet

^I agree.

Isn't it interesting how the people who argue against the rebalancing the mining profession or making the ships harder to gank, are as a majority the type who hate mining. Hate it because of the boredom or low pay... it's not their play style.

Their arguments are based on their play style. That's why they can't understand I guess. They can't come to grips with the idea that the type of player who likes mining doesn't enjoy the things they do.

I like alloys in high sec .. it makes me sad that it will get removed eventually.. But than again new faction modules and other loot + bounty.. uniqueness is gone.. however being unique is not always for the best.

People do. The Gunminers rat aligned and GTFO when threatened. Thus they have adapted to the threat of being ganked. Why is it too much to ask hisec miners to adapt a little?

Drone poop dropped in Null is an issue for all of EVE as evidenced by the fact that it killed mining income in *all* of Eve.

The base value of maxed out Hisec PvE is l4s at roughly 50m/hr. Something that falls below this needs a buff, something that trends above it needs a Nerf. (Mining maxes out at ~10m/hr, Incursions max at over 100m/hr. Both need alteration)

The base value of maxed out Nullsec PvE is anomaly farming at roughly 70-100m/hr. Something that falls below this needs a buff, something that trends above it needs a Nerf. (Mining maxes out at ~20-30m/hr clearing hidden belts (which you have to), and nothing really trends above that)

Drone anomalies in Null provide more mineral wealth (measured in m3) per hour than mining in a maxed out, Rorq boosted Hulk. They also produce a very high proportion of high ends. This means they directly compete with mining and they're strictly better at it (except Trit). This is probably not great for the miners of Eve.

GREAT, so you don't mind that some people's profession involves blowing up your ships while you're working on your profession. You're OK with the suicide ganking status quo, and as such you understand the idea behind Eve.